![]() They really used it as an incubator–Fog Creek itself. I remember when Joel stepped down as CEO of Fog Creek, I was like, “Oh my gosh!” but it’s like, “Well, of course, he’s going to do Stack Overflow.” I believe Mike Pryor stepped up at that point and then Mike Pryor went up to be CEO of Trello once that took off. I mean, it’s freaking 17 years later–these things don’t last forever. I don’t know what else I expected though. I find it interesting that they decided to sell that business to an outside company just because the way that they’ve kind of run the business, it’s odd. I think they had an internal beta version that Joel was still using for a while, it was like version 3-A or something like that that just never got out there publicly. But it was published through the website, so everything was all straight HTML. Mike: I think it was before WordPress came out or just about the same time. It was a website content management territory, but it was desktop, right as the switch to SaaS was happening. Mike: They also had a CityDesk which was their blogging tool, I don’t think that it ever really went anywhere. And then he launched FogBugz but then they went into Stack Overflow and Trello and all this other stuff. He had so many insights about how to start software company and how to project-manage and all that stuff that I was really enthralled by him. Joel was probably the first blogger I ever read. I shouldn’t be, right? Fog Creek, for those who don’t know, was founded by Joel Spolsky and Mike Pryor back in, I believe, it was 2000 or 2001. Rob: I got an email out of the blue and was completely shocked by that. Mike: Did you happen to see the announcement that FogBugz/Manuscript was being acquired by DevFactory? ![]() ![]() Rob: We’re here to share our experiences to help you avoid the same mistakes we’ve made. The podcast that helps developers, designers, and entrepreneurs be awesome at building, launching, and growing software products whether you’ve built your first product or you’re just thinking about it. Rob: In this episode of Startups For The Rest Of Us, Mike and I talk about how Lucidchart grew to 13 million users using the freemium model. They point out effective ways to use freemium, viral loops, horizontal markets, and how you could incorporate some of these things in your bootstrapped startup. In this episode of Startups For The Rest Of Us, Rob and Mike talk about how Lucidchart grew to 13 million users with freemium. ![]()
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